So, I made this video of my latest visit to Kairos, but while there, I also had a conversation.
K: As you see, I am all about supporting life. All of me is used in various ways by others at some point in time.
Me: Could you say the same of someone who, say, breeds broiler chickens?
K: No.
Me: What's the difference?
K: If that's not obvious...
Me: It is. Sorry.
K: If I think of the world, I think of this as the centre. But only because I am here, not because I or this is the most important. It's a matter of perspective.
Me: OK...
K: I know about carbon dioxide breathed out by Napoleon and atoms exchanged with Shakespeare. All those world-wide, eon-long cycles and exchanges that make here and now somewhat irrelevant. But, you see, I am here now and that's how I live.
Me: I think I get what you're getting at.
K: Being the centre of one's world is not about importance, it's about perspective. That's all.
Me: OK.
K: I mean, those moral ideas about expanding circles? Me, my family, my wood, my region, my country... or my species, my type of being, living things... all that's a confusion with perspective.
Me: So....?
K: Nothing's really more or less important.
Me: And death?
K: It's not about dying, it's about being absorbed.
Me: You don't want to die?
K: I don't not want to die.
Me: You protect yourself, though. Bark and tannins and stuff? Compete for light? For water and minerals?
K: I am living and this is how I live and how others live and die with and from me. Then I will be dying and that will be how I die and how others live and die with and from me. Then I will be dead and that will be how others live and die from me.
Me: And it makes no difference to you?
K: It makes all the difference in the world to me. And all my differences are among the differences that make a difference for others.
Me: I'm kind of lost.
K: You want differences to be either/or when they are both more than and less than that.
Me: More lost.
K: Look up.
Me: Sky.
K: And?
Me: Leaves??
K: Look with your whole being.
Me: It's like looking down into water.
K: The well. And at the bottom you find the treasure you didn't know you needed.
Another special video and conversation.